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Well I am fine, I underwent yesterday a small operation of the eyelids below, I couldn’t see well after it for the rest of the day. Today, I’ve made another collage, called “Borgne” (one-eyed).
Any connection to what happened yesterday?
For sure, but it was more about making disrupted faces. But you’re right. The eyes stare indeed out of the picture.
You often make eyes that stare at the onlooker. Do you have any explanation for that?
Well, I guess it’s because it makes the picture behave like a face. Deleuze compared a picture to a face, I agree with that and would say that this effect is even stronger when the picture is hung up, that it is vertical like a person without a body. A picture is a ghost. Or an apparition if you prefer.
But you lately made some collages filled with figures, a sort of panorama, where the point of view seems far away.
Yes that’s exactly the opposite, often used in miniatures or religious sceneries. In fact, those collages come from such material. They are more distant, you can dominate them easily as you’re supposed to have a large view. The interest in making them is to create arabesques; like in Carolingian miniatures for ex. There is no real foreground, only background. Modern photography goes very close to the people in order to fill the foreground. In my near field collages there is no real background, just a presence. Régis Debray would speak of religious aura or something like that. As I am always searching something strong, there is only the foreground, deformation and shrill colors. But color doesn’t go so well with human faces or bodies – it becomes Avatar-like or sci-fi. And I don’t look for that. That’s why I consider myself as a realist not as a surrealist.
But some aspects of your art are connected to surrealism.
Yes, the experimentation around Breton is something I cherish very much, but my roots lay in German expressionism, with a zest of Dada. But when I reflect about that, I think much more about mannerism and baroque painting, because of the madness of these paintings, without their religious program. But maybe I am too blind to see that on behalf of myself. I just go on making my daily collage, at least when I am inspired, and let the rest be.
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